Comments on: Advice for the 0Ls http://www.dennis-jansen.com/humor/advice-0ls/ Minneapolis Gay Yuppie, with a Bullmastiff and Rottweiler Mon, 06 Feb 2012 13:11:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Fridays from the Frontline » Clear Admit: Law School Admissions Blog http://www.dennis-jansen.com/humor/advice-0ls/comment-page-1/#comment-8533 Fridays from the Frontline » Clear Admit: Law School Admissions Blog Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:07:14 +0000 http://www.dennis-jansen.com/?p=12559#comment-8533 [...] law school grade inflation, and expressed a few frustrations and concerns. Minnesota ’11 Jansen provided a few tidbits of advice for 0Ls. 2L Law School Ninja offered similar advice for matriculating law students. 3L Sharon summed up a [...] [...] law school grade inflation, and expressed a few frustrations and concerns. Minnesota ’11 Jansen provided a few tidbits of advice for 0Ls. 2L Law School Ninja offered similar advice for matriculating law students. 3L Sharon summed up a [...]

]]> By: Law Student http://www.dennis-jansen.com/humor/advice-0ls/comment-page-1/#comment-8516 Law Student Thu, 24 Jun 2010 23:46:57 +0000 http://www.dennis-jansen.com/?p=12559#comment-8516 I'd also refer 0Ls to any of the blogs mentioned herein: <a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/03/29/thinking-about-law-school-these-blogs-tells-you-why-you-shouldnt/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/03/29/thinking-about-law-school-these-blogs-tells-you-why-you-shouldnt/</a> And their associated blog-kin. I’d also refer 0Ls to any of the blogs mentioned herein:

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/03/29/thinking-about-law-school-these-blogs-tells-you-why-you-shouldnt/

And their associated blog-kin.

]]> By: Jansen http://www.dennis-jansen.com/humor/advice-0ls/comment-page-1/#comment-8486 Jansen Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:09:31 +0000 http://www.dennis-jansen.com/?p=12559#comment-8486 If you have an idea of what type of law you want to go into, and you’re willing to take the personal sacrifices it takes to make it work, then go for it. Just realize what you're in for: http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/06/09/get-real-one-lawyers-take-on-having-it-all/ And by god, DO NOT GO INTO DEBT FOR LAW SCHOOL. The return is <em>not </em>worth it. I'm serious. If you have an idea of what type of law you want to go into, and you’re willing to take the personal sacrifices it takes to make it work, then go for it.

Just realize what you’re in for: http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/06/09/get-real-one-lawyers-take-on-having-it-all/

And by god, DO NOT GO INTO DEBT FOR LAW SCHOOL. The return is not worth it. I’m serious.

]]> By: Jansen http://www.dennis-jansen.com/humor/advice-0ls/comment-page-1/#comment-8485 Jansen Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:58:56 +0000 http://www.dennis-jansen.com/?p=12559#comment-8485 Well because far fewer people would go to law school if they realized what the true job prospects are, or the legal profession's job insecurity and workload. Part of this is because the profession is romanticized on TV and in books, and the other part is that students and schools have nothing to gain by telling people what a scam this whole system is. But alas, I'll be a good, highly educated barista. Well because far fewer people would go to law school if they realized what the true job prospects are, or the legal profession’s job insecurity and workload.

Part of this is because the profession is romanticized on TV and in books, and the other part is that students and schools have nothing to gain by telling people what a scam this whole system is.

But alas, I’ll be a good, highly educated barista.

]]> By: New Kid on the Hallway http://www.dennis-jansen.com/humor/advice-0ls/comment-page-1/#comment-8484 New Kid on the Hallway Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:51:11 +0000 http://www.dennis-jansen.com/?p=12559#comment-8484 Heh. And your school is more prestigious than mine is! (Although I guess it helps that mine doesn't pretend to be more prestigious than it is - it's a good regional school, and doesn't really try to be otherwise. I don't understand the people who come here who want to practice across the country from here, but that's a different story.) I think the good thing about going to law school after another career is that you have to really think about what it is you want to do and why - you have to actively choose to stop doing something else and do this instead. Whereas coming straight out of undergrad, it's way too easy to say, "I don't know what to do with my liberal arts degree, if I stay in school/get a professional degree it's bound to get me a job!" I'm not blaming anyone who thinks that way - it's pretty much why I got a Ph.D. after undergrad, and partly why I went to law school now - but it doesn't really represent how law school works (at least, now). Schools (law or undergrad) don't seem to be very good at getting that message across, though. Heh. And your school is more prestigious than mine is! (Although I guess it helps that mine doesn’t pretend to be more prestigious than it is – it’s a good regional school, and doesn’t really try to be otherwise. I don’t understand the people who come here who want to practice across the country from here, but that’s a different story.)

I think the good thing about going to law school after another career is that you have to really think about what it is you want to do and why – you have to actively choose to stop doing something else and do this instead. Whereas coming straight out of undergrad, it’s way too easy to say, “I don’t know what to do with my liberal arts degree, if I stay in school/get a professional degree it’s bound to get me a job!” I’m not blaming anyone who thinks that way – it’s pretty much why I got a Ph.D. after undergrad, and partly why I went to law school now – but it doesn’t really represent how law school works (at least, now). Schools (law or undergrad) don’t seem to be very good at getting that message across, though.

]]> By: StrangeDicta http://www.dennis-jansen.com/humor/advice-0ls/comment-page-1/#comment-8483 StrangeDicta Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:19:40 +0000 http://www.dennis-jansen.com/?p=12559#comment-8483 Philalawyers article is fair and applies mostly to recent college grads. Not all OLs are in that position though. Most law students and lawyers seem to have such jaded views on the idea or OL's wanting to go to law school. I've had lawyers tell me point blank "Don't go to law school" as if that would somehow automatically dissuade me from wanting to go. I've never quite understood it. They say this before they even find out why I want to go to law school and if I know what I'm in for. It's already scary enough for me to quit my job, move to a different state and assume so much debt, I kind of wish there was someone out there who would write about the benefits of going to law school...then again, I also wish I had a unicorn. Philalawyers article is fair and applies mostly to recent college grads. Not all OLs are in that position though.
Most law students and lawyers seem to have such jaded views on the idea or OL’s wanting to go to law school. I’ve had lawyers tell me point blank “Don’t go to law school” as if that would somehow automatically dissuade me from wanting to go. I’ve never quite understood it. They say this before they even find out why I want to go to law school and if I know what I’m in for.

It’s already scary enough for me to quit my job, move to a different state and assume so much debt, I kind of wish there was someone out there who would write about the benefits of going to law school…then again, I also wish I had a unicorn.

]]> By: Jansen http://www.dennis-jansen.com/humor/advice-0ls/comment-page-1/#comment-8479 Jansen Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:27:27 +0000 http://www.dennis-jansen.com/?p=12559#comment-8479 Your writing is amazing. You're a insta-classic! And at least at my school, there are a ton of us who went to law school, and my particular law school, because we wanted job security. We then find out that our school is actually not as prestigious as we thought it was and that the extra $ didn’t buy us job security or any guarantee of employment. That's why law school a terrible idea, especially for students who came straight from undergrad and have no other qualifications. Your writing is amazing. You’re a insta-classic!

And at least at my school, there are a ton of us who went to law school, and my particular law school, because we wanted job security. We then find out that our school is actually not as prestigious as we thought it was and that the extra $ didn’t buy us job security or any guarantee of employment.

That’s why law school a terrible idea, especially for students who came straight from undergrad and have no other qualifications.

]]> By: New Kid on the Hallway http://www.dennis-jansen.com/humor/advice-0ls/comment-page-1/#comment-8478 New Kid on the Hallway Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:58:30 +0000 http://www.dennis-jansen.com/?p=12559#comment-8478 Classic law student blog? Awwww.... I'm flattered! :-) (I've reached the point where I have to block out all the people saying what a bad idea law school is. But it's very good advice for people who haven't already made the plunge.) Classic law student blog? Awwww…. I’m flattered! :-)

(I’ve reached the point where I have to block out all the people saying what a bad idea law school is. But it’s very good advice for people who haven’t already made the plunge.)

]]> By: Jansen http://www.dennis-jansen.com/humor/advice-0ls/comment-page-1/#comment-8467 Jansen Wed, 23 Jun 2010 06:39:18 +0000 http://www.dennis-jansen.com/?p=12559#comment-8467 The people with public-interest goals are in for a thrill because you guys are more needed than ever! Sure that may mean an unpaid internship or two, but if you start while you're in school it'll be fine. The people with public-interest goals are in for a thrill because you guys are more needed than ever! Sure that may mean an unpaid internship or two, but if you start while you’re in school it’ll be fine.

]]> By: Jansen http://www.dennis-jansen.com/humor/advice-0ls/comment-page-1/#comment-8466 Jansen Wed, 23 Jun 2010 06:38:20 +0000 http://www.dennis-jansen.com/?p=12559#comment-8466 Muhaha! Thank you! Just remember that most blogs die within the first semester of law school, so keep it up. Muhaha! Thank you! Just remember that most blogs die within the first semester of law school, so keep it up.

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