Gunner: Last semester I amply and vastly participated in class and I could decipher my classmates’ opinion of said [...]]]> Oh, Law School Discussion…how I’ve missed thee. I know I’ve written about gunners before but can we just acknowledge this ridiculousness? The topic of the thread is: “How To Respond To People Calling You a Gunner?”

Gunner: Last semester I amply and vastly participated in class and I could decipher my classmates’ opinion of said participation. How best to respond to these (to put it generously) rather immature individuals?

The first response (by “Stole Your Nose!“) was rather good:

1) Maybe your comments aren’t as valuable as you think they are. Take a step back and honestly re-evaluate how smart you are and how valuable your comments are. Be your own critic and be honest. As a shortcut: if you get grades that aren’t in the top 25%, then your comments are not as valuable as you think they are and shut up. If a good chunk of the class is learning the material and providing better analysis than you on exams, you may learn more by listening than speaking.

2) Maybe other people are jealous because you actually are smart. No matter. Making people feel at ease, complying with social norms, and being well-liked are all important in firm life and the law. Work on those skills.

3) Set a limit for yourself. (One comment per class.) If you find you have a hard time staying within that limit, ask yourself why. Is it because you are so engaged? Or is it because you feel your insights are so brilliant that others should hear them? Or because you want affirmation or attention?

4) Don’t answer the easy questions. I get annoyed when obviously advanced people raise their hand for every question; easy or not. Save your comments for complex questions that most engage you; leave easier questions for other people to build their confidence on.

5) Don’t monopolize class time. Everyone else is paying $30k a year too for law school, not just you. If you find you just love to talk about the subject, form a study group or visit the professor after hours. Do additional reading in law review articles suggested in the book to engage the material more.

6) Don’t answer a question “Correctly” right after another classmate took a stab and failed. The person waiving their hand to immediately correct a “dumb” response looks like they’re trying to pump themselves up at the expense of someone else.

7) Take seminars and smaller classes. You stand out less as a gunner in a class of 10 instead of a class of 150.

Oh, and an edit: Cool If you at all belittle others’ ideas or argue with the professor, then really reevaluate how you respond to other people’s comments. There are three gunners in my class who come off as abrasive, hostile, and condescending to other students and to the professor. Check tone of voice, language choice, etc.

Another person (midwestern) tells the gunner to ignore the hecklers. Gunner responds:

Nose thief, your advice is well organized yet misguided; i would participate every chance i could get in class, whether ‘cold-called’ or not. distinguishing myself early and often and quickly was paramount. the easiest questions are the ones i most enjoyed answering, lol! particularly when no one else would raise their hand (which is an indication that they did not know the correct corresponding answer) midwestern, ignoring them is the true kindergarten advice..this is a social and professional community in which networking and contacts are paramount. i cannot afford the luxury of alienating them by ignoring them..are you in law school yet?

The discussion quickly goes downhill. “Retard” and “go kill yourself” are thrown around. You can read the drammy here.

I finally started a thread at Law School Discussion. I asked what people thought of the Joe Horn case, in which a Texan (Horn) capped two burglars who were robbing his neighbor’s house.

Horn even told the 911 Operator that he was going to kill the robbers –

This sums up what happened:

Operator: [...]]]> It’s called LSD for a reason.

I finally started a thread at Law School Discussion. I asked what people thought of the Joe Horn case, in which a Texan (Horn) capped two burglars who were robbing his neighbor’s house.

Horn even told the 911 Operator that he was going to kill the robbers –

This sums up what happened:

Operator: Mr. Horn, do not go out the house.

Horn: I’m sorry. This ain’t right, buddy.

Operator: You’re going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with that gun. I don’t care what you think. Stay in the house.

Horn: You wanna make a bet? I’m gonna kill ‘em.

The discussion on LSD has been interesting, but a bit disturbing too.

All of the participants are law students or future law students. Some of the law students have looked up statutes to support their arguments, but others have basically said, “Good. Thank good these illegals got shot. They had it coming. If you’re stupid enough to rob someone, you’re stupid enough to get capped. So what if a private citizen has more authority to kill someone than a cop? GOOD. Let the neighborhood watch dispense the death penalty.”

I also love how you can’t kill someone who punches you and walks away, or google.com/article/ALeqM5iiEniqpAKUX1RKGGD9edZH_WHkYwD91H9L4O9">someone who has raped a child, but you can (in theory) kill someone who has stolen a bag of chips from the grocery store.

I’m curious how a professor would deal with that type of logic in class.